Comments for St. Paul's Weblog http://s207765487.onlinehome.us So members can communicate Thu, 23 Feb 2012 07:42:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 Comment on What makes killing wrong? by Lou http://s207765487.onlinehome.us/2012/01/24/churches-in-schools/#comment-5 Lou Tue, 14 Feb 2012 19:13:23 +0000 http://s207765487.onlinehome.us/2012/01/24/churches-in-schools/#comment-5 <p>I do not think killing is wrong if you are defending your life, but needless killing to satisfy one's ego is wrong. Killing is defense of a life, murder is taking a life needlessly.</p> I do not think killing is wrong if you are defending your life, but needless killing to satisfy one’s ego is wrong. Killing is defense of a life, murder is taking a life needlessly.

]]> Comment on What makes killing wrong? by Dan http://s207765487.onlinehome.us/2012/01/24/churches-in-schools/#comment-4 Dan Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:13:16 +0000 http://s207765487.onlinehome.us/2012/01/24/churches-in-schools/#comment-4 I'm sorry, I was hoping someone would discuss this with me. Despite rumors to the contrary, I do not bite. LOL! I’m sorry, I was hoping someone would discuss this with me. Despite rumors to the contrary, I do not bite. LOL!

]]> Comment on What makes killing wrong? by Dan http://s207765487.onlinehome.us/2012/01/24/churches-in-schools/#comment-3 Dan Tue, 31 Jan 2012 03:53:22 +0000 http://s207765487.onlinehome.us/2012/01/24/churches-in-schools/#comment-3 Somebody a little down in the posts for the article says that "The end justifies the means crowd rises to power." In some ways the ideas and philosophy they are putting forward is simply a step, or perhaps a half a step back from Nazi atrocities. The Nazi paradigm allowed the government and the common people to participate in having people killed simply because they existed. The attitude being presented here is not quite that far. They are simply saying that a "professional" like a physician, can make a call to have someone purposely "allowed" to die for the sake of "one", in other words, my Doctor can call me dead simply to officially be able to harvest my organs and save someone else. No real morality, nor ethics, involved. My take on the question is perhaps a bit different. I've seen men die simply because there was no other option. I have also seen men choose to die for the same perceived reason. I do believe, for right or wrong, that in a given situation, one in which I am in serious pain, and unable to respond intelligently, it ought to be part of my bailiwick to have myself euthanized. I know! I know! That still falls under the heading of sin... I'm kind of sure that, while God does allow killing and/or murder for some reasons, declaring your own life should be ended does not fall under that heading. And I'm not God, but I do believe that in circumstance, I still should be able to make up my own mind as to how much longer the play continues. This is going to get me in trouble... I think that, often enough, people live in situjations that can best be described as storybook. Those folks can sit down, look at a situation, and make a “certified - Righteous” judgment call based on The sixth Commandment Their particular level of experience being viewed as the truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Sixth Commandment (depending on where it’s listed): Thou shalt not kill. Thou shall not murder.. This small set of small words opens up a large field of interpretation. Thou shalt not kill/murder unless it’s for some sin of significant size, or you’re at war. Otherwise, it’s a NO NO. But what about if you are in such pain as to be unable to tolerate it... I know that we can “what if” this scenario to death, but I’m just indicating for the sake of argument that there is a situation here that I can not, for whatever reason, tolerate the level of pain that I have to endure. I take the bull by the horns, and do myself in. Have I really committed a sin? Can I b forgiven for my frailty? I sometimes think I should be a Sadducee, or whatever one called the old Hebrew Muckety Mucks. They would walk around making discussion based on “what ifs” after “what ifs” on top of what ifs”. All for the sake of never having to decide, I suppose. Anyone wish to debate with me? I’m not alllll that hard headed, my opinions and such are amenable to change. LOL!
 Somebody a little down in the posts for the article says that “The end justifies the means crowd rises to power.” In some ways the ideas and philosophy they are putting forward is simply a step, or perhaps a half a step back from Nazi atrocities. The Nazi paradigm allowed the government and the common people to participate in having people killed simply because they existed.

The attitude being presented here is not quite that far. They are simply saying that a “professional” like a physician, can make a call to have someone purposely “allowed” to die for the sake of “one”, in other words, my Doctor can call me dead simply to officially be able to harvest my organs and save someone else. No real morality, nor ethics, involved.

My take on the question is perhaps a bit different. I’ve seen men die simply because there was no other option. I have also seen men choose to die for the same perceived reason. I do believe, for right or wrong, that in a given situation, one in which I am in serious pain, and unable to respond intelligently, it ought to be part of my bailiwick to have myself euthanized.

I know! I know! That still falls under the heading of sin… I’m kind of sure that, while God does allow killing and/or murder for some reasons, declaring your own life should be ended does not fall under that heading. And I’m not God, but I do believe that in circumstance, I still should be able to make up my own mind as to how much longer the play continues.

This is going to get me in trouble… I think that, often enough, people live in situjations that can best be described as storybook. Those folks can sit down, look at a situation, and make a “certified - Righteous” judgment call based on

The sixth Commandment
Their particular level of experience being viewed as the truth, whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Sixth Commandment (depending on where it’s listed):

Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shall not murder..

This small set of small words opens up a large field of interpretation. Thou shalt not kill/murder unless it’s for some sin of significant size, or you’re at war. Otherwise, it’s a NO NO. But what about if you are in such pain as to be unable to tolerate it… I know that we can “what if” this scenario to death, but I’m just indicating for the sake of argument that there is a situation here that I can not, for whatever reason, tolerate the level of pain that I have to endure. I take the bull by the horns, and do myself in. Have I really committed a sin? Can I b forgiven for my frailty?

I sometimes think I should be a Sadducee, or whatever one called the old Hebrew Muckety Mucks. They would walk around making discussion based on “what ifs” after “what ifs” on top of what ifs”. All for the sake of never having to decide, I suppose.

Anyone wish to debate with me? I’m not alllll that hard headed, my opinions and such are amenable to change. LOL!


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